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Pupils excluded in 'scouse brow' row

By Mike Cotton, Town Reporter Thursday 3rd July 2014

TOUGH new behaviour rules at two Barnsley schools have seen about 60 pupils excluded for uniform misdemeanours including inappropriate shoes and so-called 'Scouse Brow' drawn-on eyebrows.


Shafton ALC and Carlton Community College have zero tolerance on mobile phones, earphones, make-up, jewellery and nail varnish.


Both schools are joining the Outwood Grange family of schools, and adopted Outwood's stringent behaviour policies this week.


** The full story appears in the Barnsley Chronicle, dated July 4. **

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Posted by Sandra I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 5:22pm

I Think the teachers should have to set an example and wear the same uniform and follow the same rules.Some teachers dress inappropriate for there role as a teacher and deffinatly don't set a good example to the pupils .

Posted by Annoyed I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 5:50pm

In passing this school at home time yesterday clearly the rules don't apply. I nearly ran a boy over wearing head phones messing with a mobile phone. Maybe green cross code lessons might be more important than the appearance of a child.

Posted by stop whinging I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 6:08pm

The simple fact is they have rules and they must be followed the pupils have had notice in plenty of time about the change, if they dont want to follow them, then disipline is the only option.

Posted by Parent I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 6:29pm

If pupils and parents cannot follow simple rules in a school with regard to dress code what hope do we have for them in the work place? What message do we send out to these children when we constantly let them get away with behaviour and simple dress code. We are supposed to be preparing these pupils for the real world and the real work place. Rules are there t be followed so follow them.

Posted by A. Rodriguez I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 6:42pm

Those schools sound like some sort of childrens prison.

I thought kids went to school to learn, not to be taught that the most important thing in life is how you look. See what this has done for the kids excluded? For the rest of their life this will affect them when applying for college or getting jobs.

And Sandra posts a good point. All these rules for the pupils but the teachers can walk about looking like they've come from the red light district with their short skirt, make-up and jewellery.

These schools should take a hint from colleges, because believe it or not for me listening to music in one ear and wearing clothes I feel comfortable in, helped me to succeed far better when I was in college.

Posted by mark I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 6:47pm

Its about time kids are getting away with murder make all schools tougher

Posted by Aidan I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 7:36pm

I think it is absolutely ridiculous how the school thinks it is an appropriate method of punishment, and for what? they have no right to tell people what they can and cant wear, in a modern society a modern way of thinking is needed, not draconian uniform and appearance policies, what is more important, teenagers appearances or their education? the school should be ashamed, sorry, concentration camp not school

Posted by sd I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 7:39pm

And are these schools as keen on making sure they stamp down on bullying?

Are these schools also ensuring that the kids are receiving top-notch teaching?

I think we all know the answer to that, and it will be the same as all the other schools in the area, and the reason Barnsley is near the bottom in league tables...

Posted by M. Dodson I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 7:44pm

Comparisons with a concentration camp? Really?

Posted by Voice of Reason I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 7:52pm

@Sandra teachers should dress appropriately but wearing the same uniform isn't a reasonable way to assert authority is it? @Annoyed if you were driving in the school grounds then you'd have a point. Are schools supposed to follow students out of the grounds to enforce their rules all the way home? @rodriguez having ear phones in when someone is talking to you is just rude. School uniform rules and behaviour rules prepare students for real life work expectations...basic manners. @Aidan schools do have a right to do that, and comparing a school to a concentration camp won't make you any friends with people who have been there. Lets be reasonable. Also some of you could DEFINITELY work on your spelling. I bet you haven't noticed either that the most successful schools are the strict ones! Also this is how the armed forces work, good discipline to get the best out of someone. @Mark hallelujah! More about responsibility not rights. If you don't like your school, feel free to go to another one, or even better, home school your children. I'm sure you'd be very successful.

Posted by Muddled I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 8:03pm

There are reasons why children should wear uniforms and it's nothing to do with draconian methods or antiquated rules. In fact, one very good reason is to nullify one, of many, causes of bullying.

Posted by Annie I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 8:12pm

Teachers dressed as pupils don't be ridiculous!!

Posted by Annie I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 8:14pm

Great reply 'voice of reason'

Posted by Mother I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 8:33pm

As apparent of a child at one of these schools, I fully endorse the new stricter rules including the dress code. If children are to learn and achieve their full potential, the barriers to their education need to be removed and what better way to do that than enforcing a strict dress code. The children that I see walking to and from these schools often look like 20 year olds heading out on a night out in town, not children on their way to learn. If my daughter shaved off her eyebrows and painted on the slugs that some young ladies sport then I would be horrified. Surely your number one priority as a parent is the education and future happiness and success of your child and not whether they are allowed to wear make up or carry mobile phones. I agree that teachers should dress professionally and from my experience, most do. Our community is finally being given an opportunity with the arrival of Outwood Grange and instead of moaning and criticising the small measures that have been taken so far to help our children, we should be coming together to support them. Ensuring our children arrive at school on time, ready to learn with a positive attitude.

Posted by Voice of Reason I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 8:43pm

@Annie Thanks! @SD Yes they are. The standard of care and standard of teaching that children get in schools today is the highest quality it has ever been. Your children have a fantastic cohort of highly skilled professionals held to extremely strict and exacting standards. The success criteria for teachers and schools is so high that it looks like many are failing. But what I find (having taught in Barnsley for a long time and elsewhere in both the state and private sector) is that many people are happy to bad mouth the school and complain but are not actually that distressed at how their child is treated because they send it there for 5 years. If you challenge the authority of the school that is exactly how your child will react. Parents need to support the school and put into perspective what is important. The most valuable skill your child can leave school with is how to function well in society, regardless of qualification, a school leaver needs to be employable i.e. be able to follow instructions and respect authority.

Posted by Donna I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 8:44pm

Apparently kickers r trainers n are not allowed ...wot a joke they r black boots. They also made my daughter color the stitchin in n cut tge red n grwen tags off to be they wer trainers n not allowed!! I do agree wi the no make up policy.

Posted by voice of reason I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 9:18pm

@mother you are my favourite parent. Its so refreshing to hear from people who actually support their local community school @Donna I would investigate more thoroughly the 'school made me vandalise my shoes' bit. I'm sure they did not and that this was perhaps her clever way of getting around it. Maybe you should talk to the school and consult the uniform policy carefully. I know I convinced my Mum that brown Caterpillar boots were allowed as uniform, even though I knew they were not, but £90 later I had cool boots! Our children are surprisingly inventive - which is probably a more punk reason to have rules to push kids to think how to cleverly get by them! Oh no, I think I made myself sound human, oops.

Posted by ANON I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 9:58pm

@VOICE OF REASON, my daughter attends this school, I have bought he plain black kickers for school in the winter as they as a sensible boot that will withstand most winter conditions. I will not be replacing them when the winter arrives, if the school damage them in any way they will be responsible for replacing them,as colouring the stitching and cutting the tags off someones shoes is at least an act of vandalism

Posted by ex mother of pupil from CCC I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 10:03pm
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Posted by doctor_m I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 10:08pm

It is about time someone put rules and boundaries in place for young people in this area because unfortunately there is a majority of parents who do not. Excellence is a life choice; which starts with a professional attitude and appearance. This is not about making people able to “escape the poverty” or “encourage social mobility”, it is about raising the aspirations and expectations of the town. When I was at school, leaving 10 years ago, it was almost as if trying and succeeding at school was something to be ashamed of. We need to instil a sense of pride in standards, behaviour, appearance, effort and attitude and make this the normal outlook for families across Barnsley. This should not be something that happens in the posh schools or down south. It should be expected here. Only us as individuals, working together, can change our futures.

And for the person who suggested teachers have a uniform policy. They do. “Smart office wear”. Research your facts before making condescending remarks which your children will copy.

Posted by Phil I Thu 3rd Jul 2014 at 11:19pm

I understand the uniform (I am a director I have a strict code of dress) I understand discipline, however I have 2 children in Shaftion ALC, my problem is that it's all one way traffic.. I strongly believe a child has the right to freedom of speech, however out wood have publicly said that the children will not answer back or interrupt (trying to defend your corner when you know you are right is neither interrupting or answering back) my child got a detention for exiling away from a teacher because he was upsetting him, I told my child if ever he felt threatened or upset by a teachers attitude towards him don't answer back, walk away te the teacher they are upsetting you and go to reception and ask to ring me or your mum?? What happened???? My son got mots detention.. I have bend up to Shafton spine with head over a few problems, she assured me she would speak to my child and sort it (one problem was an illness which he is under BDGH with.. 10 days later the head never been to see my child? Bottom line is she told me what I wanted to hear then as soon as I left premises forgot all about it? One incident could have been life threatening to my son. They said to me it was an isolated incident lets move on..... So before some people get on their high horse regarding discipline rules etc, the majority of parents don't mind this... It's the way children are been spoken to and treated?????

Posted by claire I Fri 4th Jul 2014 at 9:31am

Totally agree there should be rules and these should be enforced. Children are getting worse these days with their attitude and rule breaking.

I went to a school that had these same rules in place and other schools would regularly take the mick because we all wore a strict uniform and were nit allowed jewellery, makeup etc but we had respect for our teachers and knew rules were there for a reason. We also had the best results in the area. All thr rules serve a purpose be it for health and safety or to avoid distraction when children are there to learn. Im sure there would be many parents who woukd be the first at school should their child have had their earring ripped through their ear.

I say have the rules and enforce them let children know how the real world works and hopefully our society may be a better place for our future.

Posted by claire I Fri 4th Jul 2014 at 9:36am

And to follow on just to clarify i'm not illiterate there's mistakes due to my tiny keyboard on my tablet.

Posted by Concerned I Fri 4th Jul 2014 at 10:04am

I have read the comments with great interest. I can accept the comments from students as they do not yet know any different. However, some of the comments from some parents are quite shameful. I am Barnsley born and bred and have enough years behind me to realise that there are many disadvantages that Barnsley people need to overcome in order to make their way successfully in the big wide world. The ability to speak and write good English is probably the first thing to get right. The local accent (my accent!) is bad enough, but when it is used in coarse way like a badge of honour to impress one's mates then you will stand no chance in the big wide world. All this text-speak written as if it is English language will get you absolutely no where. Young people need to man-up, develop discipline, show respect, learn good manners and accept responsibility for their futures or they will wither and die without any prospects of enjoying a productive life, like a lot of their parents. Most importantly, parents need to look at themselves very closely and ask themselves whether they themselves have reached their full potential? If you haven't.....then stop hamstringing your children by repeating the same old errors in life. It may not be a perfect world, but encouraging your children to repeat your failures isn't what good parents should be doing!

Posted by Becky I Fri 4th Jul 2014 at 11:56am

If they're excluding them for things like this, how are they going to enforce more serious punishments for more serious behavioural misdemeanours? It seems a bit excessive!

Posted by Wendy I Fri 4th Jul 2014 at 11:57am

One day these kids with the 'scouse brow' will thank the school - most stupid fashion ever!!!

Posted by annoyed I Fri 4th Jul 2014 at 12:18pm

@voice of reason r u a school staff member/insider or just dont see no reason????

Posted by chrissie I Fri 4th Jul 2014 at 4:44pm

kids go to school to carry on what hopefully parents have already taught...listen to your elders

Posted by Erica I Fri 4th Jul 2014 at 7:31pm

The way some teachers dress is an absolute disgrace so double standards springs to mind!

Posted by jj I Fri 4th Jul 2014 at 10:01pm

how sad to read the above !

parents defending appalling behaviour and attacking teachers

stop sending your kids to school without mob phones make up attitude and then we /I may take you seriously

Posted by Nonny Rat I Sat 5th Jul 2014 at 7:10am

@voice of reason. 3 cheers!

Posted by aidan I Sat 5th Jul 2014 at 1:06pm

This school is like a prison I was out of school 15 minutes after the school had ended ringing my friend who I was meeting.we had Been kept behind for 15 minutes because of an exam and they tried taking my phone and saying my mum had to collect it I don't understand the logic of this its pathetic

Posted by Elaine dagg I Sun 6th Jul 2014 at 7:36am

Whilst reading some of the comments ,I'm not surprised the pupils are not obeying rules ,I hope the comments are not from parents ,isn't it about taking instruction .life is not about doing exactly what you want to do.when you go through life you will be asked to do things ,especially in the work place .learning manners and respect will get children a lot further and more successful in life..

Posted by Our future I Sun 6th Jul 2014 at 10:08am

There is nothing more powerful than when people work together to help make things happen. We all have to understand that we need to improve our young people's aspirations and achievements in Barnsley. Fighting over uniform isn't going to get us there. In life we have rules to follow, especially when working WITH large groups of people. The rules do differ here than when dealing with just individuals. Unfortunately, some members of our community do not fully understand this if they have not had to work in this type of environment. To not have rules is irresponsible, as it then un-prepares our young people for the world of work. The most successful organisations are built around clear roles and responsibilities and this includes All members. WE ( students, parents, teachers) all need to try to see and understand the rules and why they are in place, so WE all can appreciate them and follow them to a better conclusion. Fighting against rules and regulations does not lead us into better jobs, better wages, better community spirit. Working with rules and regulations does prepare our young people for a better future. Let us ALL work together to put Barnsley on the map respecting and celebrating our young people's achievements.

Posted by Concerned I Sun 6th Jul 2014 at 11:05am

@ Our Future - Well said, but the culture in Barnsley is 'very chip on shoulder' and anti-authority. Some parents still believe that they are fighting some sort of class war and this poison seeps into their children. Solve this problem and we can then move forward together.

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Posted by BeenThere I Tue 8th Jul 2014 at 2:51pm

I left Shafton last year, and the rules were hard to understand and follow then. You see staff covered in makeup, and wearing high heels, if they honestly expect students to focus on lessons, then don't make strict rules, kids are more worried about "what if this is wrong with my appearance" than grades. Schools say "don't worry about how you look" when now they are forcing everyone to wear and look the same! I'm sorry but I bet in the coming years, there will be less and less people joining that school! I myself had to wear trainers cos of a medical condition, it took 3 months for me to finally stop being warned by passing staff.

Posted by Pupil at CCC I Tue 8th Jul 2014 at 4:17pm

Tbh, I'm a pupil at ccc and the school is rubbish. Make up and shoes and what ever had been banned is stupid it's not effecting our learning is it? No did not think so. The behaviour in the school is awful and needs sorting out. The only thing I agree with tbf. I advise all year 6's not to go to ccc.

Posted by ccc pupil I Tue 8th Jul 2014 at 7:03pm

Theese outwood people are terriblie horroble there more botherd about how you look then your learning they get in your face and spit wile there talking for wearing wrong uniform its pathetic and what if your parents carnt afford much and doesnt have money to get some proper school shoes proper out of order!!!!

Posted by Kane I Tue 8th Jul 2014 at 11:12pm

I think the new rules that outwood grange have made are absolutely stupid. The first day that they came I had forgotten to put my tie on and a member of their staff walk past and said take you hands out of your pockets (I was looking or my tie) so I told him I was looking for it and he screamed straight in my face. Also about girls not allowed to wear their make up, most girls wear make up because they are self conscious of the way they look, so if they wish to wear it they should be allowed. I would suggest not going to Carlton because it is turning into a PRISON!!!

Posted by Brian I Wed 9th Jul 2014 at 8:45am

OMG areyouserious Fabulous love your comments so true My children attended this school both have gone on to UNI both lived in Athersley both have great jobs But they had parents who new they had to have standards I .e no make up no coloured hair no body peirsing but lots of love which I think most of the children nowadays lack Give Outwood Grange a chance lets be proud of CCC good luck to all the teachers you'll need it .

Posted by concerned I Wed 9th Jul 2014 at 9:40am

@BRIAN - Well done ! A parent with the right approach at last! Against all the odds you have done it! It's all about parents, parents, parents!

Some of the written english from some of the kids above is cringeworthy, which proves the point really, doesn't it? It's all about standards. No standards, no learnie, no learnie, no standards. Break the cycle like BRIAN if you want your kids to get on in the world!

Posted by Missy I Thu 10th Jul 2014 at 11:57pm

CONCERNED - The local accent is not something to be ashamed of, but to celebrate. It's an individual trait that makes the district unique. The trick is to know what the alternative 'standard English' is, and to be able to switch to this when required (I had to do this at Uni as the tutors couldn't understand me!) What everyone, parents and pupils alike, should be ashamed of, is that Barnsley is commonly regarded by the rest of the world, as a place where ignorance, bad manners and low aspirations are not only tolerated but expected. I went to a local school with old fashioned standards, great inspirational teachers, and high expectations for their pupils, whatever their backgrounds. That's what we need in Barnsley now.

Posted by CONCERNED I Fri 11th Jul 2014 at 8:29pm

@Missy - i never said or implied that the accent was something to be ashamed of. My comments revolve about the way that the harsher Barnsley accent and lack of good English is used as something of a badge of honour or a measure of 'street cred'. Have you ever passed through Peel Square on Saturday afternoon and heard the people shouting to each other in language that is not just accented English but hard and foul dialect with no roots in the English language whatsoever. Apart from that I share similar roots to you and agree with your other comments. Well said! I admire someone who rises above their poor start in life.

Posted by CONCERNED I Fri 11th Jul 2014 at 8:39pm

PS - if I am honest, being a mischievous old so and so, I was hoping someone would bite on my comments about the way people speak in Barnsley. Let's be accent is fine but if tha can't spake inglish thall nivver wuk ahtside on Baarnsley.

Posted by Parent I Sat 12th Jul 2014 at 6:31pm

Every child has a right to an education. The quality of teaching and learning is what matters. CCC and Shafton were bottom of the Barnsley league tables and didn' t meet the government's floor standard. I am disappointed Outwood feel excluding children because of their appearance is the way forward. Emphasis should be on raising attainment in Maths and English. Providing differentiated learning and engaging lessons. Yes, Outwood have only just come in but when many students have not got their desired option choices I wonder where their priorities are. Children should feel comfortable to learn. Having to put their hands up in class to ask permission to remove their blazer is disruptive to learning. Having to wear their blazer whilst eating their lunch is not about preparing them for the real world, it's an unecessary rule. Some of these posts must be by Outwood staff. I am not fooled. Parents care about education not appearance!

Posted by concerned I Sat 12th Jul 2014 at 7:32pm

@Parent - and it seems you can't make the link between discipline and learning. Hence the problemsc in our schools. QED

Posted by Parent I Sat 12th Jul 2014 at 10:17pm

@Concerned - maybe you would like to bring back the cane seem as you can't understand inappropriate discipline. That school has been inadequate for many years, which isn't due to discipline. I want a leader that is passionate about teaching and learning yet give the children the freedom of being individuals. As I said earlier, Outwood staff are posting on here. QED

Posted by concerned I Sat 12th Jul 2014 at 10:42pm

@ Parent - Freedom as individuals? Let's get education as the first priority. Without standards (and yes good leadership and inspiring teachers) all you get is anarchy. We probably want the same thing but the softly, softly, indulgence that some people preach has already proved a failure. There's plenty of time and scope to develop character and individualism within a reasonably disciplined environment. But let's get the education first! Let's not start a war shouting about the cane - that really does you no credit at all. Don't want one on one argument so I'll make this my final comment. Good luck with the cotton wool!! Those 'kids' will eat you for breakfast!

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Posted by Parent I Sun 13th Jul 2014 at 12:06pm

Apologies to Mr Paul Tarn for assuming were @Concerned.

@Concerned - no I am not the same parent who commented on the 3rd of July.

Posted by Reality I Thu 12th Mar 2015 at 11:13pm

@voice of reason. You obviously have no clue as to how some of the children are treated. Every child has a voice. Respect is a two way street. Knocking people's spelling and punctuation?!?!? Really? I'm well educated probably earn more than you too, however when a child walks through the wrong door and gets excluded for 3 days that's not good. That's 3 days of education lost.

Posted by MR GEOFFRELS I Thu 3rd Mar 2016 at 9:22am

i agree with all the school rules , ur regards fam mr geoffriels

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