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Mum-to-be's anger over 'dead baby jokes' page

By adam civico, Assistant Editor Saturday 18th August 2012
Pd29019 Disgusted: Kirsty Whiteley.

A pregnant woman who lost a baby at 15-days-old is appalled that a Facebook page full of 'dead baby jokes' has not been removed.

 

Kirsty Whitelely, 20, was suffering pre-eclampsyia when she gave birth to Jersey Mai Gypsy Leigh last year nine weeks early.

 

The baby had an operation but died when she was 15-days-old. Reading the 'dead baby jokes' Facebook page, which has been 'liked' by more than 52,500 people, brought back the traumatic memories.

 

Kirsty, of Pontefract Road, Lundwood, said: "I was disgusted at the pictures, the jokes and stuff they were saying. If somebody made this page, it's disgusting."Seeing the photos did bring back the memory of my daughter.

 

"It is difficult and it's even harder now because I've found out I am expecting again."

 

She said alternative groups had been set up in a bid to try to get the page banned. "They don't realise how much it's hurting people."

 

A Facebook spokesman said while the page had been reported and may be deemed offensive that did not mean it necessarily violated Facebook policies.

 

Breaches included the use of pornographic content, bullying, hate speech, and actionable threats of violence, she said.

 

"The goal of these policies is to strike a very delicate balance between giving people the freedom to express themselves and maintaining a safe and trusted environment.

 

"In general, groups devoted to jokes, even disgusting and distasteful ones, do not violate our policies. Where these groups make real threats or statements of hate, however, we will remove them."

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Posted by emily I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 4:17pm

The page is discusting amd does need closing down.

Posted by kath I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 4:27pm

Although I feel sypathetic towards the lady for the tragic loss of her baby what made her look at the page. I've seen comments about the page on fb but would not consider going onto it

Posted by MAVSMASH I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 4:44pm

i find it strange given the page hasn't posted any jokes in over a year, yet when you go on that page its full of people ranting death threats, credible threats of violence, actually wishing the page's owner' to have a miscarriage, and they are the ones branding the page as sick.

HYPOCRISY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.

Posted by lucy irwin I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 4:55pm

I total agree on this article as i had a twin preganies 25yrs ago 1 twin lived an twin was born sleeping its a very traumatic time an even now christmas an birthdays still hurt i suffer from traumatic stress disoreder due to not getting any help with the death of my twin daughter an its hurts also the surviving twin theres nasty people out there now one knows the heart ache off loosing a child untill it happens to them selfs an these people pray on just as myself an others

Posted by Punchesbabies I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 5:08pm

The only bullying, hate speech, and actionable threats of violence, I've seen on that page have come from the people against it.

Why not do the adult thing and not look at it? Instead of traumatizing yourself further?

Posted by sherrellw I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 5:16pm

Well i've heard alot about this page for quite a while, and yes i am disgusted that it has not been removed, but i would'nt even dream of looking at the page and maybe if everybody did the same, then the people who are responsable for making such a cruel page wouldnt be getting such a kick out of all the publicity it's making

Posted by anon I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 6:21pm

@punchesbabies u say do the adult thing and not view content yet you have a username that would potentially cause offense or upset. People who are against this sort of thing have to wade through moronic and tasteless comments idiots like you post. It's just sad that today's society has managed to breed inconsiderate, deluded and immoral people such as yourself that clearly do things in a troll like way just to get some cheap sick perverse pleasure out of it.

Your proving a point that your such a prat with that idiotic username. So go on, start whinging back saying that pillocks like you have a freedom of speech and how I'm "attacking" you. Your pathetic.

Posted by Punchesbabies I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 7:03pm

Do you seriously think I go around punching babies?

Lighten up, you'll live longer. (Y)

Posted by anon I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 7:32pm

@punchesbabies I think it's more pertinent to ask how old do I think you are. Try growing up, you might grasp the basic concept of what's morally right and wrong.

Posted by Punchesbabies I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 8:26pm

31 If you must know, I also have a pretty good moral compass. The difference between us, is that I can ignore the things that I find distasteful yet legal. Instead of trying to ban everything.

Posted by anon I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 8:45pm

Like I said previously, deluded. You reckon you have a good moral compass? Says it all really. Still, I suppose it gives you something to do, takes your mind off your own hang ups I guess. I don't know, I could be wrong. Still it's getting boring now, continue to conduct yourself how you see fit, continue to giggle inanely at immoral, distasteful and upsetting jokes if you must.

Posted by Punchesbabies I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 9:01pm

I will. (Y)

Posted by helliwell I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 10:06pm

it sick that page i see on they last night what this guy said he said he love to have sex with her baby this need to put a stop too please do some thing about this

Posted by helliwell I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 10:12pm

my god what i read on dead babies page it so sick come on guys let us get this page down read this and you tell me it wrong Humor sicker than cancer patients. Hey Kristy, can I **** that baby you're holding?

Posted by helliwell I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 10:12pm

that what humor sicker said to the woman that is not right

Posted by LazyReporting I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 11:32pm

It's a joke site, it tells jokes, if you're too stupid to realise that they are only jokes you deserve to be offended,

Posted by helliwell I Sat 18th Aug 2012 at 11:52pm

we are not stupid you might be if you read what they saying all you might wake up and see what they saying on they

Posted by anon I Sun 19th Aug 2012 at 9:48am

@lazyreporting and if you're too stupid to understand it's morally wrong, then you shouldnt have internet access. Where is it going to stop, if it's just a joke would you condone jokes on racism for example. Yes I think you would, because that's how your type work, make fun of everything else as long as it takes the focus of people like you. Like I said, it's pathetic, shallow, moronic and down right obscene. You're just another person who thinks it's ok to make fun of things that cause people misery. I just hope that one day something happens in your life where people make fun of it, then perhaps you may understand what people are trying to say. Still, all this is wasted on idiots like you because it simply doesn't compute, but that's just the way of the world, sadly.

Posted by Anoia I Sun 19th Aug 2012 at 4:30pm

If you don't like dead baby jokes, don't look at the page. I might add that the only people who make death threats on that page are the idiots who don't like the jokes. You invalidate your point about the jokes being in poor taste when you end your comment with "i hope all your babies die". The world is full of morons.

Posted by anon I Sun 19th Aug 2012 at 6:45pm

@anoia who said "I hope all your babies die"? Can't see anyone who put that on here???

Posted by an0n I Mon 20th Aug 2012 at 1:40pm

@anon I could ask you the same question. Where is your censorship going to stop? We all have the right to choose what we find funny and what we don't find funny. It is unlikely that I would find any jokes on such a webpage funny therefore, I choose not to read them. I do not, however, want the whole page banning! We are heading towards a place where the only target for jokes will be straight white men. This censorship is utterly ridiculous. If you do not like the content, then do not read it. Simple.

Posted by anon I Mon 20th Aug 2012 at 3:50pm

@an0n I'm sure there would be something that you would want censoring, especially if it was a topic that was close to your heart. Until youre in that kind of position or have been affected in anyway by something it is easy to say what you've said. I have visited the page in question out of curiosity and to see if there is any validation to the claims, which I also believe there is, in addition I have witnessed comments from people who disagree with the page wishing distressing things to the people who post the jokes. I DO NOT agree with that either, if people believe they have a valid argument then by all means voice it in the proper manner, don't start issuing threats. Yes, I have called

People moronic or stupid purely because their only argument is a childish "coz it's funny" mentality. To me, that indicates someone who just wants to see what reaction they get, trollish to say the least.

Posted by An0n I Mon 20th Aug 2012 at 7:26pm

@anon No. You are missing the point. There is nothing I would want censoring but there are many things that would upset me. I have lost people in my life in ways that I would not wish to joke about. But, I do not want this material banning altogether. I would choose not to like it and I would choose not to visit a Facebook page full of such material.

Posted by xbabyb123x I Tue 21st Aug 2012 at 1:31pm

no everyone has a choice to look at it or not if someone on there friends list has liked it it will show up on there feed loosing a child is hard enough but when disrespectful people get there amusements out of this it is disgraceful. you will only ever no how traumatic it is to loose a baby if you have been in that horrible situation as i have and many others out there have but to sit and think this is funny well.... there isn't any words to describe the terrible, nasty, heartless excuse for human beings its people like that that don't deserve to live in my opinion not the poor child who has sadly passed away r.i.p babies xxxxxx

Posted by xbabyb123x I Tue 21st Aug 2012 at 1:35pm

sorry if you haven't been in that situation

Posted by An0n I Tue 21st Aug 2012 at 3:39pm

@xbabyb123x Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound criticising this Facebook page and then finishing your comment by saying you hope someone else's child dies?? If you find something funny, you are right. If you find something not funny, you are right too. Just don't expect anyone else to agree.

If your Facebook friends start liking this sort of page and you don't agree then go to their profile and click "unfriend". Then ask yourself why you were friends with them in the first place.

Posted by anon I Wed 22nd Aug 2012 at 12:02am

@an0n I'm sure

If you were reading the post correctly xbabyb123x didn't wish any other persons child to die. If you're trying to state that in order for you to understand what people are saying, we wish one of your own to pass away, then you will know, your wrong.

Use your imagination, and imagine you have a child and sadly they don't make it, would you want idiots making fun of the whole topic, I would think anyone with any gumption wouldn't. The jets have clearly gone over your head...

Think about it, why would this person who has gone through this horrendous ordeal herself, then wish it on other people, knowing the pain and anguish it causes.

I really don't want to disrepect anyone, but you really do talk out of your arse!

You can't be wired up right if you're thinking that and use it as a reverse tactic.

One thing I will agree in part is that if any of my friends liked or share a joke of nature they would be unfriended, simple as, fortunately, none of my friends have liked it.

Posted by E.Z. Harry I Wed 22nd Aug 2012 at 2:05am

Oh God get over it. They're jokes. Not penises. Stop taking them so hard

Posted by Anon I Wed 22nd Aug 2012 at 7:32am

@E.Z Harry your comment makes as much sense as it does logic. Get some sleep.

Posted by an0n I Wed 22nd Aug 2012 at 9:41am

@anon Read xbabyb123x' comment. It says "...its people like that that don't deserve to live" What is the difference between saying that someone doesn't deserve to live or that someone should die?

I'm afraid it is you that is not grasping the issue here, not me! Why can you not understand that it is not about whether or not I have experienced the loss of the child. My sympathy towards people that have has never been in doubt, As a parent, I can think of nothing worse and of course I would never joke about such a thing and would not be amused by anyone that did. My point, as I have stated before, is that you do not have the right to censor a subject just because it upsets someone. My point is about the censorship and nothing more. Please try and get this into your tiny little mind.

Posted by anon I Wed 22nd Aug 2012 at 10:18am

@an0n here we go...right, firstly believe it or not there a whole heap of difference between someone not deserving to live and someone "wishing" they were dead.

Second, you say that I have no right to censor a subject, on the contrary, do you not think that things such as racism as one example is censored?

We all know it happens but it gets censored or otherwise punished despite the fact they maybe only jokes, they can still hurt and offend.

I never said that it's about if you have experienced it or not, I merely asked you to imagine, then if someone happens to post a joke about it or if you happen to come across by accident (ie someone posts it on a wall on Facebook) it can upset people and rightly so.

The main issue is this crap is available freely and without warning, Facebook should do more in regards to moderation, not hide behind policies that are broken everytime.

You say your argument is and always was about censorship, which is fine, but censorship is there to protect people. If people want to purposely search out this rubbish on the Internet that's fine, but on a social website the minimum age is 13, that's wrong.

Why doesn't Facebook just allow porn on there too???

Before you start whining about how easy it is to access porn, I know, but again Facebook could do something about that, and they do.

Anyway must dash...

Posted by an0n I Wed 22nd Aug 2012 at 10:52am

@anon Oh dear, oh dear. You are struggling aren't you. Bless.

Oh, and there's the race card.

Right, racism is wrong, you'll get locked up. But, different races and cultures exist and can be the subject of a joke. Just watch any Black or Asian comedian and you will see that this is far from censored. Just take care to see what the actual "joke" is. Have you ever laughed at an Englishman, Irishman and Scottishman joke, for example?

Facebook doesn't allow porn because it is illegal to show 13 year olds porn. Like it or not there is nothing illegal about the webpage in question so comparing it to porn is a pointless argument.

Posted by anon I Wed 22nd Aug 2012 at 12:02pm

@an0n struggling? I think not. Truth be known, I'm getting bored now, you'll have your opinion, which believe it or not I respect, but similarly I have my opinion which I am entitled.

The principle of the argument regards porn on Facebook was in context to "where will it end?" not the why's and wherefores of it not happening now. The whole point of my argument was the moral stand point of displaying such content.

FOR EXAMPLE and I do mean example, not to be confused as comparing or any other misconception. A porn site (im not saying all) have a standard 1st page explaining the content and any legal disclaimers etc then u enter. Thing is with Facebook the content is straight in your face whether indirectly through a "friend" posting it on your wall or otherwise. There's no chance to say "oh crap, I'll navigate away"

I wouldn't expect a response because I've said all I can/will

Posted by an0n I Wed 22nd Aug 2012 at 12:13pm

@anon Ok, agreed. I love you. Bye x

Posted by anon I Wed 22nd Aug 2012 at 12:16pm

@an0n :0)

Posted by Jo I Wed 22nd Aug 2012 at 12:43pm

Some of the comments below need removing aswell as the facebook site! Grow up. People have feelings aand a heart. Some people have gone through so much trauma. To joke about such a thing is sick x

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